October 29, 1977 – Charles Grodin / Paul Simon (S3 E4)

Sketches are rated on a scale of 1-5 stars


COLD OPENING
having missed dress rehearsal, host is surprised to find that SNL is live


— Ah, yes, the famous premise of Charles Grodin missing the dress rehearsal.
— The concept of having an entire episode where the host doesn’t know how the show is run, doesn’t know it’s live, doesn’t know there’s an audience, etc. is one of the most creative and intriguing ideas the show would ever do, and would go on to be one of SNL’s very few “conceptual episodes” that deviates from the format of a normal episode.
— I remember seeing the syndicated 60-minute version of this episode way back in early 2002, and despite going into the episode with eager anticipation after hearing so many things about the big running premise, I recall being underwhelmed by the result of it. We’ll see if that opinion changes after this current viewing, 16 years later.
— John: “He doesn’t smoke dope; he’s just not one of us.”
— I liked the joke of everyone acting like it’s tragic that Charles forgot to get a gift for Garrett.
— An overall great way to kick off tonight’s premise.
STARS: ****


OPENING MONTAGE
— The jumbotron montage has been modified once again. For starters, the SNL logo is completely different, and I remember this being the logo they would go on to use for the rest of the season.
— The guests’ names are in the same font as the new SNL logo.
— A new animated graphic of the NBC logo appears in a rolling ball throughout this.
— New cast shots.
— In Garrett’s shot, he does the same “suspiciously hiding a seemingly-stolen handbag while innocently smiling at the camera” bit he does in the montage from the preceding two episodes. BTW, I can’t help but find it kinda racist that they gave the “stealing a handbag” bit to the one black guy in the cast.
— Laraine’s shot is a little strange. Not only does she not do anything beside stare stone-faced at the camera, but her shot is noticeably a few seconds shorter than the rest of the cast’s.

   


MONOLOGUE
(no synopsis available)

 
— Hmm, bright light bulbs surrounding the stage floor. I wonder if this is just for a guest performance tonight, or if it’s a now part of the overall look of the homebase stage.
— A continuation of the cold opening, with Charles not knowing there was going to be an audience.
— I liked his comment about how this “looks like a really cute show”.
— Wow, this was short.
STARS: **½


UPDATE PROMO
Weekend Update reporter DAA works overtime, but doesn’t accomplish much

  
— Another plane commercial with Dan.
— A Weekend Update commercial!
— I got a good laugh hearing Dan announced as an “award-winning newsman”.
— Funny reveal of the typewriter a sleep-deprived Dan is using not having any paper.
— Another surprisingly short segment.
STARS: ***½


RETURN OF THE CONEHEADS
neighbors (BIM) & (GIR) investigate Coneheads’ odd Halloween treats

   
— I remember seeing this when I was much younger, probably in one of SNL’s Halloween compilation specials. Back then, I recall loving one part where the Coneheads give trick-or-treaters an inappropriate gift, though I can’t remember what exactly it was.
— The audience went nuts at the beginning when one of the Coneheads entered.
— Ah, a 6-pack of beer. So THAT was the hilariously inappropriate gift I was trying to remember.
— After growing back a slight mustache in the last two episodes, Dan has gone clean-shaven again.
— Overall, this was a more straightforward installment compared to the extensive preceding Coneheads sketch where they travel back to their home planet, but this was still very strong and and one of the more memorable Coneheads installments.
— Knowing how hugely influential SNL was in the 70s, I bet self-made Conehead costumes were a hot trend among SNL fans that Halloween.
STARS: ****½


CHUCK’S FILM
host’s long-winded set-up leaves little time for chase scene clip

 
— The clip getting cut off before anything interesting happened in it, and Charles’ reaction to that is fairly funny.
— Another short sketch.
STARS: ***


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE


CONSUMER PROBE
Irwin Mainway promotes some unsafe Halloween costumes

   
— LOL at Jane’s character being named “Joan Face”. Also, a rare change of pace not seeing Jane play a talk show host with her own name.
— Great to see Irwin Mainway back, after his classic debut in the previous season’s Christmas episode.
— As usual, some very funny dangerous toys so far, especially Invisible Pedestrian.
— Jane has started a coughing fit that she seems to be having trouble getting out of.
— I liked Jane indignantly saying that “Johnny Human Torch ” is nothing more than oily rags and a lighter.
— I like how at the end when the camera panned above the set and into the audience, you can see the Weekend Update set directly behind this sketch’s set. That’s also interesting since this sketch’s only two performers are also the two Update anchors.
STARS: ****


ANYONE CAN HOST
BIM plugs Anyone Can Host Contest while MOD disqualifies entries


— Is this gonna be a sequel to Bill’s famous “I don’t think I’m making it on the show” piece? Bill’s dressed in the exact same outfit he wore in that sketch. And judging from the huge pile of letters on the desk, I guess this is going to be him reading fan mail. Why is O’Donoghue there, though?
— Oh, this is actually an Anyone Can Host follow-up segment.
— O’Donoghue deadpan-edly calling out the minor flaws of some of the postcards (“smudged corner”, “uneven margins”, “typing error”, etc) is really funny.
— Bill to viewers: “Lorne Michaels is willing to take a chance on an unknown, just like he did with me. Heck, this time next year, you can have my job.” LOL, did Bill really think he was still in danger of getting fired? He’s been doing undeniably well so far this season, and has come a long way from his awkward days as a newbie in season 2. I’m sure viewers came to like him by this point. Eh, I’m probably looking too much into what was simply a funny throwaway line.
— I like how Bill ended this with his smarmy, playful “get out of here, ya knuckleheads!” catchphrase that we’ve been hearing a lot this season. It’s almost become a personal game for me to predict when he’ll say it in sketches/Update segments where he either plays himself or a character like himself.
— I don’t usually rate these Anyone Can Host segments where it’s usually just Lorne or a cast member straightforwardly explaining the rules, but this one actually had a lot of humor in it, as well as a funny performance from both Bill and Michael, so……
STARS: ***½


SAMURAI DRY CLEANERS
Futaba’s antics cause host to break character

 
— Futaba!
— I like Charles ruining the sketch with his constant little fourth wall-breaking comments while Gilda keeps trying to shush him.
— I got a good laugh from Charles actually reading John’s fake Japanese gibberish off the cue cards
— Good ending with a frustrated John angrily destroying the table with the sword after his sketch has been ruined.
STARS: ***


WEEKEND UPDATE
NBC Dancing N hands DAA a filler bulletin as an excuse for dancing
BIM criticizes one-man theater for being cheap
silent DAA mimes news stories for silent film buffs
FBI agent (GAM) refutes claims of Jimmy Hoffa’s skeleton being found

     
— I liked the opening bit with Pardo reading “Jane Curtin” backwards (“Enaj Nitruc”).
— Another review from Bill “now get out of here, ya knuckleheads” Murray.
— Some funny lines here and there, but overall, Bill’s done better commentaries that this. Also, the bit with him telling bad ant puns seemed out-of-character for his Update role.
— Loved the “News For the Silent Movie Buff” segment. Dan may have been considered by many to be a poor Update anchor (I’m personally still up in the air about him; he had a disastrous second Update, but he hasn’t been TOO bad yet in the other Updates so far, despite occasional flashes of awkwardness), but this silent movie bit was something he was absolutely PERFECT for. It also reminded me of some of the random fun side bits that Jimmy Fallon and Tina Fey would do in their Updates decades later.
— Is this Garrett’s first appearance of the whole night?
— I liked the “the baby is holding his own” punchline to Jane’s news story about fetuses experiencing sexual stimulation in the womb.
STARS: ***


SIMON & GARFUNKEL
host as Art Garfunkel & musical guest try to do “The Sound of Silence”
Art Garfunkel [real] halts host’s pitiful “Bridge Over Troubled Water”

   
— Haha, oh my god at Grodin in that Garfunkel wig.
— I like Grodin defending his not knowing lyrics by saying he’s learning them as they go along.
— It’s over already? This wasn’t quite as funny as I wanted it to be.
— Oh, wait, now Grodin’s starting another song after Paul walked off.
— Him singing the wrong lyrics to “Bridge Over Troubled Water” is hilarious, especially the random bad attempt at a high note.
— Interesting that they’re actually replaying audio of what he just sang.
— Hmm, the real Art Garfunkel has shown up.  Doesn’t he actually host later this season?  Can’t imagine how that episode went.
— That was great, with Garfunkel bluntly saying “Chuck, hand it over” and Grodin shamefully pulling off his wig and handing it to Garfunkel.
— Great ending to an overall solid sketch. I really liked the way all of this built up.
STARS: ****


THE KILLER BEES
host’s unpreparedness ruins skit about trick-or-treating Killer Bees
JOB & GIR confront host about his absence at rehearsals

   
— Another example of Grodin breaking the fourth wall and Gilda shushing him while John and the others try desperately to keep the sketch going.
— This also keeps alive the general recurring theme of Killer Bees sketches always getting “ruined” by something.
— I liked Grodin over-questioning the logic of the Bees and starting a chain reaction of the cast members themselves also questioning it.
— I really liking John’s passionate “I’m a professional” rant. Not quite as funny as his angry rant to Rob Reiner in the Bees sketch from Reiner’s episode, but it’s still good.
— Funny how Grodin keeps moving his head along to the flailing antennae on John’s head while John’s ranting seriously.
— Love how John’s rant ended with him declaring Grodin “the lamest host we’ve ever had”.
STARS: ***½


BROWNIE
young girl Judy Miller (GIR) pretends to star in her own television show

   
— The famous Judy Miller sketch! I didn’t know that was in this episode. Then again, I think this ended up becoming a recurring sketch, so who knows if this is even the version of the sketch I’m thinking of (the one that’s often shown in highlight reels and compilation specials like “The Women of SNL”).
— Gilda is adorable and eerily dead-on as this hyperactive bouncy child character, and it’s a lot of fun to watch her throughout this.
— Okay, there’s the well-known part with her repeatedly throwing herself against the door, which I guess proves this IS the version often shown in specials. BTW, I remember hearing she broke a rib doing that. I always wondered if that’s true or not.
— Jane as the off-camera mother yelling at Gilda to quiet down throughout this is adding a very realistic feel to this already very accurate, true-to-life piece.
— Overall, a wonderful sketch, and an excellent sample of so many things that made Gilda a beloved performer.
STARS: ****½

PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL OF FOOTBALL
The Professional School of Football can make you a pro athlete, says GAM

  
— I almost thought this was going to be some kind of follow-up to that Ambassador Training Institute commercial from season 1.
— The repeated “groin injury” option in the multiple choice questions is kinda funny and reminds me of the “Mesopotamia” running joke in the ATM bank sketch from season 2. That one was definitely funnier, though.
— Overall, this was forgettable filler. Garrett’s had a long streak of unimpressive solo sketches these last two seasons.
STARS: **


AUDIENCE CAPTION

 
— Haha, funny use of tonight’s running premise, by having a confused Grodin spotted in the audience. Reminds me of when they did that with Gilda in the episode where she was being “phased out”.


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE


HIRE THE INCOMPETENT
host speaks on behalf of incompetents like Roseanne Roseannadanna (GIR)
host finally gets to sing his song about his feelings about life

   
— Bill’s dopey testimonial about making grocery bagging mistakes is really funny. “Eggs bottom, cans top.”
— This feels like Laraine’s first appearance of whole night, until I remembered there was a Coneheads sketch earlier. Geez, Laraine was even more underused tonight than Garrett, and that’s saying something. When it comes to airtime in this cast, those two seem to be the low man on the totem pole.
— The debut of Roseanne Rosannadanna! Knowing she would go on to become a hugely popular Weekend Update-only character, it feels weird seeing her as an unnamed random character among other unnamed random characters giving testimonials in a sketch.
— Also, it’s interesting how we got the debut of two of Gilda’s most beloved characters in the same night.
— The Rosannadanna testimonial has been the funniest part of this sketch so far, and it’s making me kinda look forward to her future Update appearances. I just hope I don’t get as sick of her as quickly as I got sick of Emily Litella’s frequent appearances. Rosannadanna’s an inherently funnier character, IMO, so I don’t see myself getting TOO fatigued from her.
— I remember the aforementioned 60-minute syndicated version I saw of this episode abruptly cut this sketch off right after Grodin’s befuddled facial reaction to Gilda’s testimonial. I guess that edit was made for time reasons?
— Grodin insulting himself as a host, then stopping and saying “Wait, I’ve never seen that cue card before” made me laugh a lot.
— Grodin’s intentionally bad short song was pretty funny.
STARS: ***½


GOODNIGHTS

 
— Tonight’s running premise concludes with Grodin revealing they were just kidding and John (jokingly) brushing him off with a “Yeah, whatever” type of attitude.


IMMEDIATE POST-SHOW THOUGHTS:
— I mentioned earlier that in my previous viewing of this episode in early 2002, I was underwhelmed by how the whole “Grodin missed dress rehearsal” running premise turned out. I’m not quite sure what 17-year-old me was thinking back then, because I enjoyed the concept MUCH more tonight. It was pulled off well, was interesting to watch the fourth wall constantly break, and added a fun vibe throughout the show. There were also several strong, memorable sketches unrelated to tonight’s running premise (Coneheads Halloween, Consumer Probe, Judy Miller). All of these positive aspects add up to a very solid episode.
— It tickles me that some SNL fans actually think the whole gimmick with Grodin being lost on how to do the show was REAL.
— IIRC, the only other time an SNL episode would try a running meta-premise of “the host isn’t on the same page as the cast” is when Garry Shandling hosted in 1987. You could also argue the Jason Patric episode from 1994 made a slight attempt at that, but BOY did that particular one not turn out well at all.
— I can’t wait until the next “conceptual episode” SNL does later this season, with the Attack of the Atomic Lobsters in the Robert Klein episode. I’ve never seen it before, but have heard so many good things.


HOW THIS EPISODE STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING ONE (Hugh Hefner):
— a step up

My full set of screencaps for this episode is here


TOMORROW:

Ray Charles

34 Replies to “October 29, 1977 – Charles Grodin / Paul Simon (S3 E4)”

  1. Grodin gave me a Will Ferrell vibe to him when watching this episode (especially during the Garfunkel segment (the wig helped) )

  2. What’s weird is that large chunks of this episode (the two Halloween sketches and Judy Miller) have been constantly shown in “best of” compilations, yet they’re some of the few sketches not to be related to the central premise of the show. I do think it was smart not having that appear in every sketch, and whether by fluke or not, those three sketches are all excellent as well.

    I agree that Laraine and Garrett soon fell themselves on the low end of the totem pole. While I think this was fairly predicable for Garrett (sadly), I remember after watching season one, Laraine seemed way more prominent and successful than Jane, who seemed stuck in an inordinate amount of “straight woman” and meaningless parts. By season two, Jane parlayed the straight woman gig into Weekend Update and began appearing in more and more prominent sketch roles, while Laraine seemed to stagnate and disappear.

  3. Yeah, Gilda apparently broke her ribs during dress rehearsal – but gamely threw herself into the door *again* for the live version.

  4. I can’t believe there are people to this day who assume this was real, and Grodin skipped dress and then was totally unprepared… and that he’s banned from the show. He appeared in the Lorne-produced “Paul Simon Special” several months AFTER this episode!

    1. I saw that Paul Simon special on YouTube a few years ago and remember enjoying it.

    2. I was one of those people initially. That was only because part of this episode was part of a Coneheads VHS compilation and this was sandwiched between two Steve Martin-hosted episodes. In that, Charles Gordin only appeared in the monologue and goodnights/ As well, only the three sketches Michael mentioned were in the rest of the show.

      One clue this was all a gad was when Don Pardo introduced Charles Grodin, he knew to mug for the camera like hosts before him.

    3. The Paul Simon Special (co-starring Grodin as the “director”) aired a few weeks after this episode, in early December.

      Fun fact: Grodin recommended Jon Lovitz to Lorne after Lovitz had a small role in a film Grodin was starring in

  5. I was actually in the audience for the dress rehearsal for SNL that night. I can 100% confirm that Charles Grodin was there! The dress rehearsal ran longer than the show, about 2 hours, so they could decide which skits the audience liked best. Both Paul and Art were there too. I will never forget it.

    1. I just watched this on Hulu and during the goodbyes at the end, I was interesting watching Paul Simon completely ignore Art Garfunkel on the stage with him. That said, the Hulu edit cuts off before the credits end, so I don’t know if they did interact past the point I saw, but Paul looked as if he was doing anything to get off that stage.

  6. On tonight’s season finale, a bumper of Charles Grodin from this ep was shown after “Weekend Update”. By the way, tonight’s show was mostly hilarious!

    1. Yea, tonight was up there with Kaluuya and Chalamet as best of the season for me.

    2. What an amazing to end an amazing era for SNL (if that happens.). Tonight’s episode was easily the best of the season. They truly saved the best for last. And I can’t wait to see what’s in store for next season.

  7. So let the speculation begin I guess? Cecily def. feels like she’s leaving after that send off on Update. Her, Kate, and Aidy all seemed emotional in the CO as well like it was their last show. Plus Pete thanked the audience for watching him grow up on the show. Another sign?

  8. Yeah, Cecily looked like she was ready to ditch her Jeanne Pirro impression the way she carried on drunkenly like that coming into that way big drinking glass!

  9. I think from this point on, Jane is called “Joan Face” whenever she’s interviewing Dan’s Irwin Mainway. And I think I may have watched this ep live as an under-12 kid at the time because I at least remember seeing Paul Simon performing “Slip Slidin’ Away” that night before hearing it on the car radio for the first time after church the following day…

  10. Watching the live version now. Gilda is definitely soft-pedaling her slams against the door. I was thinking there was no way she broke her rib but now that the commenter explained she broke them in dress it makes total sense. She must have really gone for it in dress. Ouch!! Poor Gilda.

  11. This to me is one of my favorite old first 5 season SNL episodes.

    It has the extremely talented humble and witty, Charles Grodon.

    I love every sketch he appears in but the one I think of the most is when he attempts to play with Paul Simon in that ridiculous Art Garfunkel wig. Then as I’m watching this, I’m thinking of a quote from the movie “this is 40” where Paul Rudd is arguing with his wife about how he is Art, and she is Paul, and basically how much it sucks to be the number two man.

    Anyways, I love that sketch. I love it when Art comes on and tells him to take off the wig.

    I never thought the dress rehearsal thing was real, I loved the premise of him buying gifts and then forgetting one, and then John exchanging a gift cause he liked Bills I think more…however, I did believe he was banned from SNL for well, up until the last month or so when I stumbled on this website and looked it up myself. But it never made sense to me because he seemed so innocent and sweet, so while I’ve never seen all the failed banned members, Milton Berle I think is one that comes to mind, who is so old, and the only way I know of him was cause he was in an episode in 90210 in which Steve looks after him in a nursing home for an episode or two, only to learn he has dementia. But I never watched the SNL episode. He was hard to watch on 90210, and this was my first time (in my late 20s), so I don’t know how I’ll get with his SNL appearance.
    That being said, I had only seen this episode once. When I rewatched it a week ago, I was kinda surprised at how much of an asshole John Belushi acted to him during his samari sketch. I def didn’t find that to be part of the sketch, despite “Chuck” ruining his it (sorry I don’t find that sketch, the bees, ugh those bees, and the Gilda “Judy Miller” sketch is like nails on a chalk board to me).

    I don’t dislike these people, though I think Belushi is semi overrated, but Gilda is very funny, but don’t like her when she plays these over the top childish roles. It’s very similar to how Kristin Wigg had good moments on SNL, for instance I love the Californians and 2 a holes sketches, but the Gilly sketches are awful. I don’t mind her being a target Walmart checkout person but then those sketches seem repetitive as she uses such a similar voice, actions, etc, the novelty wears off. This isn’t to say Wigg is a more talented actor than the great Gilda, but just a reminder that I wish SNL would not overdue things so much, as from my experience in watching various seasons, I notice my fav cast member might be in a sketch, but not a fan of that sketch, and I don’t think he is either, and it appears the following week and so on. So I just wish they would pump the breaks- the bees is a perfect example of that. It is so freaking dumb IMO, I know it isn’t my first and won’t be my last but it might have been ok the first time, but I can imagine so many other uses of talent these cast members had.

    Anyways, aside from what I stated I can’t stand, I loved the consumer probe, and despite my hatred for the bees and samari, I was able to stomach it cause Grodon made it interesting.

    I do wonder what it was like after the episode, if they had an after party and what the mood was like, and also if Belushi was just coming down from some bad blow when he snapped at Grodon, it’s really hard for me to get a gist from the ending credits, so just a thought. But this def sticks with me, and only wish Grodon had hosted later on in the 90s or so, even the 80s, but he would have been a good host after his huge breakout role as the dad in Beethoven (excuse my awful spelling).

  12. I’m pretty sure it was for Halloween in ’78 and not ’77, but you are correct…friends of my parents were Coneheads for a Halloween party.

  13. I don’t know where else to put this, but the account on Internet Archive that had every episode of the show has been taken down by the Copyright Mafia.

  14. I just discovered this as well! What a bummer! I’d be very interested if anyone finds another source that has all (or even most) episodes.

    1. Thank you for this Jesse! It really is nice to have these somewhere. It’s so disappointing to watch the chopped up shortened versions on Peacock.

  15. That sucks. Disgraceful that there is no DVD or proper streaming release of the full episodes beyond S5. They are important documents of US culture and history.

  16. After a few minutes of searching, I found an account that has a small selection of full episodes on IA. I will NOT link to them directly because I don’t want the petty copyright dictators to find them (if you are one of the miserable copyright Stasi reading this, I hope are ashamed of your miserable, sadistic existence). There’s probably others out there. Time to invest in a high capacity thumb drive, it seems.

  17. While it is their right to restrict material they own the copyright to, if they’re not going to release the unedited versions of older seasons, it just dampens my enthusiasm for exploring this show’s history.

    I don’t want to watch the chopped-up versions on Peacock, some of which cut out more than half the episode. I don’t want to see only the sketches curated by the YouTube channel. I want the full show, musical guests, lousy sketches, dated jokes and all. Saturday Night Live is an experience that those heavily edited versions don’t do justice.

    I get that it costs money to license music and trademarked material. I get that some sketches wouldn’t fly in today’s climate. But hardcore fans having a way to access old episodes more or less in their entirety means more people discussing and appreciating SNL. If they aren’t going to put up the full versions themselves, they’re just alienating some of us historically inclined fans by taking away our ability to see them. In my opinion, that’s a net negative for the SNL brand.

    1. I’d certainly like to see all the material-objectionable and otherwise-from the Jean Doumanian and Dick Ebersol periods.

  18. I was literally in the middle of watching this playlist the second they took it down. I just finished watching the Jim Carrey episode from 1996, then suddenly I got an alert saying that the file was unavailable.

    Finding the full episodes on IA was a godsend. Especially considering after being subjected to the shabbily edited episodes on peacock. I’m just glad I managed to download seasons 1-45

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