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WORLD SERIES BET
Rudolph Giuliani (DAH) wanted higher stakes for mayoral World Series bet
— Tim’s brief appearance in the opening portion of this sketch isn’t seen in reruns, as reruns replace this cold opening with the dress rehearsal version. With Tim’s appearance here missing in reruns, the rerun version of tonight’s episode has Tim making his ONLY appearance of the night in a Michael Jackson sketch that doesn’t air until towards the end of the show.
— Darrell’s Rudy Giuliani impression makes its debut.
— As no surprise, Darrell’s Giuliani impression is solid.
— Ha, after Darrell’s Giuliani praises the Mets, you can hear a sole “Boo!” from one person in SNL’s audience.
— Darrell has carried over the “laugh, then suddenly put on a straight face” mannerism from his Bill Clinton impression.
— A lot of funny lines from Darrell’s Giuliani as he’s going on about what he and the mayor of Atlanta have agreed to give each other if the Yankees or Braves win that year’s World Series. I especially love the one about New York getting the severed head of John Rocker on a stick. For anyone who remembers the colossal bigoted douchebag that was John Rocker (Will Ferrell does a great Weekend Update commentary as him later this season), you hopefully appreciate that joke.
— Another great line, this time with Giuliani’s bet about how if the Braves win, he’ll dress up as Scarlett O’Hara and the mayor of Atlanta can romance him with a plunger.
STARS: ****
OPENING MONTAGE
— Rachel Dratch has been added to the cast tonight as a featured player.
MONOLOGUE
NOM deduces that SNL has gotten much worse in the time since he was fired
— Ah, it feels so great to see Norm making his entrance on SNL’s home base stage as the host.
— When a few people in the audience yell out “NORM!”, Norm asks “What was that?” and they repeat it, then Norm responds “Well, you’re absolutely right, that is my name.”
— Awesome how Norm is openly addressing his controversial firing from SNL, in the way that only he can.
— Norm’s great description of the disagreement he had with the management: “I wanted to keep my job, right? And THEY felt the EXACT OPPOSITE.”
— I love Norm pointing out how asinine it is that in just a year and a half, he’s gone from being considered not funny enough to even be allowed in the building to now hosting the show.
— Just now, Norm has gone “Heeeeeeeeeeeeey!” in the same way he hilariously did in the Sarcasm 101 sketch from season 23’s Matthew Perry episode.
— Norm: “How did I suddenly get so GODDAMN funny???”
— An absolutely priceless realization from Norm that he hasn’t gotten any funnier; the show has gotten really bad.
— Norm: “So, yeah, I’m funny compared to… well, you’ll see later.”
— Even the trademark sign-off line that every monologue ends with has a funny variation tonight, with Norm saying “We got a bad show for you tonight.”
— Overall, an absolutely epic monologue to end all monologues. One of the all-time best in SNL history.
STARS: *****
MARTHA STEWART LIVING OMNIMEDIA
in the wake of her successful IPO, Martha Stewart (ANG) enjoys being rich
— A change of pace for a Martha Stewart sketch.
— Lots of great lines from Ana’s Martha bragging about her IPO.
— Martha Stewart: “The real Martha Stewart is a frigid 58-year-old divorcee with a filthy mouth and a mean streak.”
STARS: ****
GREAT MOMENTS IN YANKEE HISTORY
Lou Gehrig (NOM) was being sarcastic
— A hilarious and very Norm-esque twist on the famous Lou Gehrig speech, revealing that he was being sarcastic and starts going on about how horribly unlucky he is.
— Strangely, no audience applause can be heard at the end of this sketch in the live version.
— Overall, very short but sweet, and a quintessential Norm Macdonald sketch.
STARS: *****
CELEBRITY JEOPARDY
French Stewart (JIF), Burt Reynolds (NOM), Sean Connery (DAH)
— Sean Connery, after the contestants are warned by Alex Trebek to refrain from using ethnic slurs: “Ya think you’re pretty smart, don’t ya, Trebek? What with your dago mustache and your greasy hair!” Alex Trebek: “Look, what did I just say about ethnic slurs?!?”
— Nice to see the return of Jimmy’s eerily-spot-on French Stewart impression. In the first cutaway to him here, you can hear an audience member say “Oh my god” in surprise.
— Wonderful to see Norm’s Burt Reynolds make his triumphant Celebrity Jeopardy return.
— Absolutely classic how Norm’s Reynolds is requesting to be addressed as Turd Ferguson.
— We get TWO category mix-ups tonight. One being Burt Reynolds referring to the “condiments” category as “the condom thing”, and the other being Reynolds’ far-more-classic “Ape Tit” misreading.
— Alex Trebek: “This is the sound a doggy makes.” Sean Connery: “Moo.” Alex Trebek: “No.” Sean Connery: “Well, that’s the sound your mother made last night.” This is the very first “your mother” slam that Connery would make towards Trebek in a Celebrity Jeopardy sketch. Surprised it took this long.
— We now already get a second “your mother” slam from Connery in tonight’s sketch. (Alex Trebek: “We would’ve accepted ‘bow wow’ or ‘ruff’.” Sean Connery: “Ah, ‘ruff’ – just the way your mother likes it, Trebek.”)
— Yet another classic moment, with Norm’s Burt Reynolds/Turd Ferguson now walking up to Trebek with an oversized foam cowboy hat.
— After Reynolds walks away from Trebek after the aforementioned cowboy hat bit, I got a huge laugh the minor bit with Trebek incredulously saying to himself “What’s going ON?!?” I love that the show has gotten so ridiculous that Trebek has to briefly stop just to question the insanity that he’s been witnessing, by saying to himself “What’s going ON?!?”
— At the end of this sketch, I believe it’s an ad-lib when Norm places his foam cowboy hat on Will’s Trebek during the sign-off, which Will goes along with perfectly by growling in character “Would you get that off me?!?” while angrily yanking the hat off of his head.
— Overall, this has always been what I feel is the best and most quintessential Celebrity Jeopardy installment, which is really saying something, considering how strong these sketches always are.
STARS: *****
CROSSTALK
the sexiness of unhealthily-thin women is championed
— Some good laughs from Parnell’s rude comments about Cheri’s plus size.
— A great trick Ana is doing to make herself look freakishly skinny.
— Parnell’s skeevy lusting after extremely skinny women is very funny.
— Hilarious bit with footage of the rail-thin Lara Flynn Boyle being represented by a dancing skeleton from a black-and-white cartoon from what appears to be the 1930s.
— Rachel Dratch makes her debut doing a very funny Calista Flockhart impression, complete with a puppet body. Rachel’s making a great first impression here.
— When asked what her secret is to staying thin, I love Ana’s Helen Gurley Brown responding “Actually, I died six months ago.”
— Funny visual of Rachel’s Flockhart spitting out some vomit before answering a question.
STARS: ****
LARRY KING’S NEWS & VIEWS
Larry King (NOM) relates yet more News & Views
— Great to see this back. I’m always a sucker for these.
— Interesting how this edition of News & Views is being performed live, considering the previous ones were pre-taped.
— Larry King: “Of all the figures of the 20th century, one of the greatest has to be Robert Urich.”
— A typical classic Norm moment right now with him staring down the camera for a VERY long time after saying “Does anyone remember baseball cards?” (the last above screencap for this sketch)
— Larry King: “Margarine has its place, but nothing beats the real deal………………………………..(freakishly long pause)………………………………..BUTTER!”
STARS: ****
TV FUNHOUSE
“Fun With Real Audio” by RBS- Charlton Heston rails against gun control
— Kinda surprising that the first TV Funhouse of the season isn’t airing until now, though there was an epic one at SNL’s 25th Anniversary Special right before this season began.
— The audience is dead during this so far.
— Funny visual of Heston’s gun acting like a pet and eating bullets as if they’re pet food.
— Tom Selleck’s constant stammering and unfinished sentences are strange, but are cracking me up.
— Overall, despite some laughs, I dunno, something about this cartoon as a whole did not work for me, especially when it got towards the end. I wanna give Smigel the benefit of the doubt and assume this cartoon was just too “smart” for me, but I’ve seen some other reviewers express disappointment towards this cartoon too.
STARS: **
LARRY KING’S NEWS & VIEWS
Larry King (NOM) delineates additional News & Views
— Good to see a second one of these.
— We get another long camera staredown from Norm, this time complete with him briefly taking a sip from his coffee mug in the middle of the staredown (the second, third, and fourth above screencaps for this sketch).
STARS: ****
WEEKEND UPDATE
The Millennium- moments from the past 1000 years that never occurred
gold digger Marla Maples (CHO) tries to assail Donald Trump’s character
— Well… this Update feels a little awkward to watch, knowing who’s in the building tonight.
— Tonight’s “The Millennium” segment has a priceless succession of random events that never occurred, such as Lucille Ball being executed by Capt. Crunch.
— I love Colin’s joke about how TV networks will soon stop indicating whether an episode is a rerun or not, resulting in Colin asking us to watch next week’s “live” SNL episode: Fran Tarkenton/Leon Redbone.
— Pretty funny unscripted moment with Colin stopping mid-joke to humorously say “God bless you” to an off-camera audience member who sneezed.
— The only real laugh I’ve gotten from Cheri’s Marla Maples commentary so far was her remark about her “Park Avenue cooch”.
STARS: **½
MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg perform “Still D.R.E.”
MCMULLINS HOUSE
between visits from trick-or-treaters, dentist (NOM) & wife (CHO) fight
— I like Cheri’s dancing to the Ghostbusters theme music.
— Cheri greets one trick-or-treating child by saying “Is that little Lori Nasso?”, an inside reference to an SNL writer with that name.
— Cheri to Norm: “I rue the day I ever uncrossed my legs for you.”
— Norm has some great barbs during his and Cheri’s various tense arguments.
— I like how one of the trick-or-treating kids is dressed like Austin Powers. Some of the other trick-or-treating costumes seen throughout this sketch provide a nice time capsule for 1999, especially the Pikachu and Jar Jar Binks costumes.
— Tracy makes his only appearance of the night being stuck in his usual useless bit role where he only gets one measly line. We’re THREE episodes into season 25, and Tracy has made only two appearances all season so far, and only one of those appearances was a noteworthy role where he got more than one line. Man, thank god this season’s Garth Brooks/Chris Gaines episode is coming up very soon, because Tracy desperately needs it at this point. (You’ll know why I’m saying that if you remember a certain famous and important piece Tracy does in that episode.)
STARS: ***
BAR
newly-single Michael Jackson (TIM) & Howard Stern (JIF) commiserate
— Given his many ruthless-but-hilarious homosexual pedophile jokes about Michael Jackson on Weekend Update back in the day, I love the idea of Norm playing a bartender having a chat with a depressed, recently-divorced Michael Jackson.
— Hmm, turns out Norm’s just playing a generic friendly bartender. This sketch would be FAR better if it had Norm just going full-on Norm, by riffing hard on Tim’s MJ all throughout the sketch.
— Very funny gag with MJ unintentionally showing Norm his “Macaulay” tattoo when attempting to show him a tattoo of his ex-wife’s name.
— For some odd reason, right in the middle of his story, Tim’s MJ randomly goes “So I says to the nurse, I says, I says…”, which appears to be an ad-libbed reference to a semi-famous Chris Farley bit. Norm cracks up uncontrollably after this apparent ad-lib of Tim’s.
— An interesting tidbit about the appearance from Jimmy as an about-to-be-divorced Howard Stern is that it was a last-minute addition to this sketch. News of Howard Stern’s divorce came out earlier the same day of tonight’s episode, and thus, SNL must’ve figured it would be fitting to throw in Jimmy’s Stern at the end of a sketch that’s already about a celebrity divorce. In fact, some SNL reviewers back at this time in 1999 have said that they didn’t even know about Stern’s divorce until watching this sketch. Some people, to this day, have a hard time telling who Jimmy is even supposed to be playing here, especially since his Stern is never mentioned by name within this sketch. It doesn’t help that Jimmy sounds like he’s inexplicably using a hint of an English accent for his Stern. I’m hearing some of Jimmy’s John Lennon in there. Sorry, Jimmy, but Michael McKean still remains the unquestioned SNL master of the Howard Stern impression.
— It looks like Tim made another ad-lib right now in an attempt to get Jimmy to crack up the same way he made Norm crack up earlier in this sketch, but Jimmy surprisingly keeps a completely straight face and stays in character. It’s not very often you’ll be hearing me say that about Jimmy as his SNL tenure progresses.
— The ending felt weak.
STARS: **½
MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
Dr. Dre & Eminem perform “Forgot About Dre”
INSIDE THE ACTORS STUDIO
James Lipton (WIF) rankles Clint Eastwood (NOM)
— The debut of the Inside the Actor’s Studio sketches.
— A hilarious blank open-mouthed look on Will-as-James-Lipton’s face when this sketch begins (the first above screencap for this sketch).
— Nice detail of a huge stack of index cards that Lipton is using for this interview.
— I’m liking Norm’s Clint Eastwood impression, which we previously heard a brief voice-only sample of in the great In The Line Of Fire sketch from John Malkovich’s season 19 episode.
— Will’s absurd characterization of his James Lipton impression is freakin’ priceless.
— A very funny dark story from Eastwood about Lipton having his teeth kicked in while sleeping.
— Clint Eastwood, after being asked what he would like God to say to him: “James Lipton is in hell right now being raped by the devil.”
— Ha, just now, Norm has dropped three more unscripted “goddamn”s, after he did so once earlier tonight in the monologue. Unsurprisingly, all of his “goddamn”s in tonight’s episode would later be muted out in reruns.
— Overall, a fantastic debut for the Inside the Actor’s Studio sketches, though in my opinion, there are even more memorable installments of this sketch to come.
STARS: ****½
CHESS FOR GIRLS
— A rerun… from TWO SEASONS AGO.
— Due to taking time off from SNL this week to film the live-action Grinch movie, Molly has not been seen at all in tonight’s episode (I believe that’s part of the reason Rachel Dratch made her on-air debut tonight), until this re-aired old commercial. I guess SNL’s re-airing this just to say Molly was in SOMETHING tonight, even though her appearance in this commercial is just a VERY brief walk-on. Odd how SNL had to go all the way back to season 23 just to find a pre-taped commercial that Molly appeared in. Was she seriously not in ANY pre-taped season 24 commercials? The only one that comes to mind right now is that Teeny Weenies commercial, but I think it was based on a then-current news story, and thus, was too topical to be re-aired in a season 25 episode. If they HAD to re-air a season 23 commercial that Molly was in, why not one that she appeared in for more than two measly seconds? Lemon Glow? The “I’m #1” hat commercial?
GOODNIGHTS
IMMEDIATE POST-SHOW THOUGHTS
— As expected for a Norm Macdonald episode, this was very solid as a whole, mainly because of the first 1/3rd of the show, which was INCREDIBLE in my eyes. That portion of the show consisted of a very long string of sketches that I gave a high four-or-five-star rating to. After that, the quality cooled down for the remainder of the show, until we got a very strong Inside The Actor’s Studio sketch towards the end of the night. Norm Macdonald did not disappoint as a host, and it was wonderful to see him getting his chance in the host spotlight tonight.
— Felt like we barely saw most of the cast members tonight. Even the usually-dominant Will Ferrell was only in 3 sketches. Chris Kattan, Horatio Sanz, AND, as mentioned earlier, Molly Shannon were all absent tonight. Very rare to have an episode where THREE cast members aren’t in any sketches. There’s a common misconception that the reason for Kattan’s absence in this episode is that he refused to even show up this week due to the well-documented animosity between him and Norm. That’s incorrect, as according to an online dress rehearsal report I remember reading years ago from an SNL fan who was in the audience at this episode’s dress rehearsal, Kattan was in at least one dress rehearsal sketch that got cut from the live show, though I can’t remember any details given about the sketch. (I do remember the details given about another cut sketch from this episode, in which Norm reprised his Bob Dole impression, portraying him this time as hopped up on Viagra and eagerly awaiting sex with his wife Elizabeth, played by Ana Gasteyer. At one point in the sketch, Norm reportedly ad-libbed towards Ana’s Elizabeth, “Hurry up! Bob Dole’s about to fuck the couch!”)
MY PERSONAL CHOICE OF “BEST OF” MOMENTS FOR THIS EPISODE, REPRESENTED WITH SCREENCAPS
HOW THIS EPISODE STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING ONE (Heather Graham)
a fairly big step up
My full set of screencaps for this episode is here
TOMORROW
Dylan McDermott
I believe the Gehrig sketch was an Andy Breckman piece that was retooled for Norm.
Iirc this show was delayed because game 1 of the World Series ran long. This would be the last time NBC aired the World Series as FOX took over permanently in 2000 (till this day)
Stern’s divorce was huge news at the time
Was it Breckman who wrote the Gehrig sketch? I always heard it was a Michael O’Donoghue holdover.
Breckman was a guest writer for the episode along with Smigel, Sam Simon and Fred Wolf. I remember seeing him involved in the Gehrig sketch but maybe he helped re tool the O’Donoghue version for Norm
Nah, the O’Donoghue Gehrig sketch was very different – Gehrig (who would have been played by Bill Murray) solemnly announces his sickness, gets no reaction from the crowd, then freaks out (“I’M GONNA DIE! A YEAR FROM NOW YOU DUMB JERKOFFS WILL BE WATCHING A STUPID GAME AND I’LL BE DEAD!!!”) and has to be dragged off the field. Never aired, of course. And as much as I revere O’D, I have to say I prefer Norm’s version.
Nice time capsule of the period where people were *just* starting to recognize Eminem. Of course, within a year, that would DRASTICALLY change.
Norm wrote that Farley bit you mentioned. IIRC, Norm himself has done the “I says, I says” bit as well.
Memory is a funny thing. I could have sworn Dratch’s debut was the opening in next week’s episode. It’s not, but she plays the same character and does it so well that it gets a massive reaction from the audience.
I remember hearing the Stern episode where he spent the entire show talking about his divorce. It must have been the following Monday.
Considering Royal Deluxe is re-aired a few episodes later, maybe it was meant to be part of a recurring 25th anniversary celebration of commercial parodies
Norm’s monologue is epic. Just fantastic.
And I agree you, I believe this is the best installment of Celebrity Jeopardy.
One thing that makes something an all-time classic, IMO, is how quotable it is years and decades later. This Celebrity Jeopardy meets that requirement. Amazing how funny it is to hear “Turd Ferguson,” “Ape Tits,” “The sound your mother made last night,” 20+ years later. My friends and I still drop the “It’s an oversized hat, it’s funny” line on a regular basis.
My favorite of the Celebrity Jeopardy sketches. All of the classic elements are now in place, and they just keep getting better from this point on.
I would agree that this is the best installment of Celebrity Jeopardy. It’s peak Connery AND peak Burt, which is the perfect nexus for this sketch. I think the next few installments would heighten some of the key elements of this sketch and the sketch would sustain for a couple more seasons but I don’t think they get better from this point. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the cracks begin to show a bit as the jokes become more telegraphed. The 2002 edition is certainly a step down.
This is my first comment. Thanks for writing these reviews, Stooge. I enjoy reading them.
This may be the online dress rehearsal report that Stooge referred to in his post-show thoughts: http://www.fakenews.net/archive/exclusives/1999_10_23_report.html
Thanks for finding that. Always interesting to see the cut sketches and to know a little about the backstage atmosphere. I would have wanted to see the crack dealer one.
I wonder how similar that Crafty Vermonter sketch is to the Naturally Crafting sketch from Steve Martin / Prince in Season 31? I assume the only way to find out is to ask Rachel Dratch personally.
RIP Larry King. One of the greatest interviewers ever.
It would have been cool if Larry himself made a cameo on SNL alongside Norm as Larry.
BTW, Norm did the best Larry.
R.I.P. Norm.
Just got online for the first time today and can’t believe this is the first news story I see. I’m speechless, what can you say other than the man was a fucking legend and this one fucking hurts.
Fuck. I hate this. Norm is No. 1. Everyone else is battling for the second spot.
If ever I loved a comedian…
I hope SNL pays him proper respect. He saved their ass in the 94/95 season, and helped the show transition to the 95/96 cast.
I know some of his jokes were offensive, but the guy was utterly fearless and uncompromising, and had a completely unique style that wasn’t like anything on the show before or since. More intelligent people that me will be able to break down what made his comedy compelling better (and yes sometimes it did go too far as MANY comedians often did). I would hope Stooge could do a brief write up on this blog since Norm is one of his favorites.
And for those who might think of Norm as mean-spirited, his observations in a recent comedy special about how low-key cruel it is for people to say “this person LOST THEIR BATTLE with cancer” is one of the most humane moments of standup I’ve ever seen, without him being obviously sentimental about it. There was real heart behind his work, even if he sometimes projected an aloof persona.
I agree with Norm that saying someone “lost a battle with cancer” is basically treating them like a failure. However there were some things he said that I still don’t like, such as when he claimed trans hate crime victim Brandon Teena deserved to die.
Anton, I completely agree with you that the Teena joke was way out of bounds. Norm certainly has a complicated legacy. Even during the 90s when I was a teenager I would sometimes find myself saying “come on man, that wasn’t cool” when watching his updates. However, for what it’s worth, he could have easily tried to fully pander to reactionaries as Dennis Miller and Victoria Jackson have done, but mostly avoided diving into that. It certainly would have been easier and perhaps more lucrative for him to join that world, and it saddens me that the right is so eager to “claim” him in the wake of his passing. There was more to him than the Schmittian friend/enemy distinctions that are so popular in online discourse would indicate.
And just to be clear, if we could have gotten a version of Norm who didn’t need to make dehumanizing jokes about some marginalized people, I would definitely take that version. He was successful in spite of that stuff, not because of it. Hopefully someone way smarter than me will be able to fully unpack and reckon with Norm’s legacy in all its messiness and complications. I’m sure there are some thinkpieces and longreads on their way, and hopefully some of them will be nuanced enough. The worst possible outcome would be all the rightoid publications crowing about how BASED Norm was, and all the lefty pubs decrying him as some sort of horrible demonic bigot. The offensive stuff definitely shouldn’t be ignored, and needs to be properly dealt with by those who admire his skill. At the same time, thinking of him some sort of horrible monster (which I don’t think people here are doing — to be clear, this forum has been pretty good on covering him) actually plays into the hands of the reactionaries who are very eager to put him on their “team.”
I mean, it certainly says something when you got people like The Daily Wire, which is notable for basically being a younger Fox News, and The Gravel Institute, which is very much a leftist think-tank, agreeing that he was a genius and mourning him. That gives me hope.
Norm’s entire persona was to present himself as dumb, insenstive, aloof, ignorant and other bad qualities. In actuality, he was the exact opposite.
This flies in the face of everything that’s happening today with people virtue signaling online and obsessed with putting their best face forward.
Norm wasn’t afraid to have people hate him.
This is one of the all-time best SNL episodes. R.I.P. Norm.
RIP Norm. One of the greats…
Here’s an interesting story about how Norm *possibly* got on SNL — has anyone verified it? Victoria Jackson discovered him?
https://www.newsfromme.com/2014/05/25/late-late-night-news/
You know, it certainly does warm my heart a little when I see people like the Right-Wing publication Daily Wire and the Hardcore Leftist think tank Gravel Institute agree that Norm was a genius. Yes, his legacy is pretty all over the place, kind of like Richard Dawson in a sense. He did make some jokes about marginalized people that aged like a truck full of cartons of milk, and not to mention the fact that he treated women comedians pretty badly. (Then again, he did come from the “Bad Boys” era of SNL so that is too be expected, sadly.) BUT, he genuinely knew how to make a joke about a lot of things, unlike a lot of comedians nowadays where they just say shitty things in an attempt to get clapter from jerks (while complaining about people like Colin Jost doing the same thing), and, at the end of the day, he made most of his jokes about those in power. The O.J. Simpson jokes, the Michael Jackson jokes, the Jokes he made about NBC when he was kicked off the ship. He absolutely knew how to stick it to the man, and goddammit he was so funny.
Rest in Peace, Norm. Hope you’re able to catch up with Farley, Jan and Phil.
Interesting conversation going on here. Yes, Norm is a complicated guy. He HATED the notion that he would be claimed by either side. He was a comedy purist and a contrarian, so he was always going to rattle social norms a bit (or a lot). He was so devoutly apolitical that he came off as conservative in an era when your progressive political branding was essential. He made some pretty brutal jokes, especially in the 90s during the absolute zenith of really brutal jokes, but he was also very open about the wrongness of some of the material and even curbed some of his material that he worried would cause hurt. There’s an Uproxx (I think) interview with him where he talks about dropping a Caitlyn Jenner bit for fear that it could cause someone to get hurt. I’ve heard the bit live, it would upset some for sure, but it was as comedically sound as anything he ever did. He probably made an astute decision to pull the material. Then again, he didn’t always make those astute decisions.
But Norm was also an evolving person. I think that’s why a lot of people connected with him even beyond the “Frank Stallone” and “Moth joke” realm. The Norm of 1997 is not the same as the Norm of 2005, who is not the same of the Norm of 2011, who is not the same as the Norm of 2021. There are different Norms to appreciate and different ones to contend with. In some ways he could be an iconoclastic firebrand, in others he can be another tired “cancel culture” comedian (though there are a million far worse with much larger platforms).
All I know is that Norm was always a firm believer in the power of the joke. He was a genius artist, but he was a craftsmen too. He believed that the strength and craft of a joke could override all. Sometimes he was playing with fire in terms of the moral subjectivity of comedy, but he proved his thesis far more often than not.
The guys on MST3K to use to sometimes say “So I says to the guy, I says.” I figured it was lifted from Jimmy Durante or someone, but maybe it’s just upper Midwest lingo.
One thing I love about Stooge’s reviews is that I have the same VHS transfers, with all their wonderful attendant flaws. Whenever she mentions some glitch, a sketch starting in the middle, I know just what she’s talking about!
“So I says to the guys I says” I think is a take off of a line from The Great Gatsby.
Rachel Dratch was on Fly on the Wall and revealed she auditioned for Season 21. Nancy Walls got the spot.