February 21, 1981 – Charlene Tilton / Todd Rundgren, Prince (S6 E11)

Segments are rated on a scale of 1-5 stars


COLD OPENING
Rocko Weineretto & Weindulah weigh in before their upcoming bout

  

— Immediately, we’re already opening with Joe’s SNL Sports persona.
— He sets up the Rocko Weineretto and Weindulah boxing match that’s happening later in this episode.
— The weigh-in part is pretty funny.
— Overall, this was a very short, straightforward cold opening just here to set up the upcoming match.
STARS: N/A (not a rateable segment)


MONOLOGUE
upon discovering girlfriend ANR was with CHR last night, JOP vows revenge

   

— Fun entrance from Charlene.
— This girl’s got energy and bubbliness for miles. I can see why it would annoy some viewers, but honestly, I’m finding it kinda endearing.
— The LFNY part was weird.
— That’s it? That’s the whole monologue?
— Oh, never mind, we get what appears to be a continuation of the monologue (or at least, I’m COUNTING it as a continuation), with Charlene meeting Charles backstage after having just talked about him when she was onstage.
— There’s another appearance of the “backstage SNL locker room” that we used to see all the time back in the original era.
— Joe “(menacingly) I’ll get that Charlie Rocket if it’s the last thing I do.” And tonight’s running premise is officially off. Unfortunately, it’s also not very funny so far.
STARS: **


GREATEST RECORDS OF ALL TIME
albums contain unlikely make out music

  

— Ann sure got changed fast from the monologue.
— LOL at “An evening with Hugh Downs”
— Not much to say here. Some laughs, but once you got the joke, there wasn’t much else to this.
STARS: **½


MISTER ROBINSON’S NEIGHBORHOOD
Mr. Speedy (GIG) delivers a package

     

— The debut of a legendary recurring Eddie Murphy sketch!
— I’m loving his version of the “won’t you be mine” opening song.
— Immediately, we get “bitch” as our very first “special word of the day”. Man this sketch is already starting hot.
— Classic bit with him asking viewers to test the word of the day on their mothers.
— We get the deep-voiced “Who is it?” door-answering bit, though I recall his delivery of it sounding a little funnier in some of the later installments of this sketch.
— Hilarious passing reference to Richard Pryor’s infamous freebasing accident.
— Overall, this was freakin’ great, and feels like such a breath of fresh air in a season like this. This sketch alone really embodies how much Eddie was the savior of this season. I’m looking forward to future installments of this sketch.
STARS: ****½


PORK PARADE
the Pork Queen (host) & her subjects get ready for the big parade

 

— Denny looks even tinier than usual, making her entrance through that little door at the beginning of this sketch.
— Okay, I finally got one laugh out of this dull sketch so far, at the reveal of Yvonne being known as the “Chitlin Princess”.
— Is Yvonne going to have ANY lines in this? Speaking of whom, what the hell has happened to her these last few episodes? It’s funny how back in my Karen Black episode review, I went on about how all the claims that Yvonne was a glorified extra during her featured player stint were exaggerated, as she had been getting a surprising amount of noteworthy speaking roles. I seem to have spoken too soon, as that Karen Black episode was followed by a long string of episodes where Yvonne either didn’t appear in or only appeared in a non-speaking bit role, including this sketch. She hasn’t gotten anything noteworthy to do since that Karen Black episode. This must be where her reputation nowadays for being such an underused cast member comes from.
— (groan) What in the world is this sketch going for?
— What’s with Gail occasionally making random pig snorting sounds? If that’s her attempt to save this awful sketch, it ain’t workin’. You know, I’ve liked Gail for most of this season, but I can’t help but notice that in the last few episodes, she’s begun resorting to playing some of her roles a little TOO cartoonish and over-the-top (e.g. Where’s Cooter, Was I Ever Red), which isn’t working for me. I can’t help but wonder if that’s an act of desperation from her, due to how badly this season has been bombing lately.
— Overall, boy, was this a bad, sloppy sketch. No idea why they thought this would be funny. This is exactly like the type of sketch that used to immediately come to my mind when thinking about how bad this season supposedly is.
STARS: *


ROCKET REPORT
CHR takes host for her first NYC subway ride

     

— Fun premise with Charles and Charlene at a subway, where Charlene is going to take her very first subway ride.
— Hey, Charles is actually interviewing people! This is the true strength of the Rocket Reports.
— Ha, the lights in the train suddenly going out brings back childhood memories of when that often happened when I rode on the New York trains as a kid.
— Overall, a pretty solid edition of Rocket Report. I’m guessing this ends up being the last-ever appearance of this segment. At least this ended on a good note.
STARS: ***½


A FIDDLER BE ON THE ROOF
a movie starring Stevie Wonder (EDM) as Tevye

 

— Funny visual of Eddie as Stevie Wonder singing Yiddish lyrics in Eddie’s now-famous old Jewish voice.
— Very short, and I would’ve liked to have seen them do more with this, but this was still fine for what it was.
STARS: ***


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
Todd Rundgren performs “Healer”


WEEKEND UPDATE
David Stockman (GIG) prefers “Catch a crook, eat a meal” to food stamps

   

— (*sigh*) Here we go…
— As usual, a very tepid beginning with little-to-no reaction from the audience in response to the first few jokes.
— Oh, god, now Charles is resorting to repeatedly stomping his foot on the ground after a particular weak joke. Man, his increasing desperation for laughs these last few episodes is pathetic.
— Oh, great, now Charles is returning to the hyped-up, manic delivery he keeps falling back on these last few Updates.
— And now Gail has resorted to sheepishly repeating some of her punchlines after it bombs with the audience. God, Update is killing me with its sad desperation lately.
— The audience may not have seemed to mind that corny “Ragu music / Pastafarians” joke, but it had me groaning my head off.
— LOL, Gilbert looks like a little kid playing dress-up. What’s up with that? I guess his strangely-low chair has something to do with that, but seriously, if I had seen a screencap of this Update commentary without knowing that was Gilbert Gottfried, I’d probably think that was either a child or a woman under that wig and glasses.
— The “Catch a crook, eat a meal” program is a pretty funny concept in Gilbert’s commentary.
— The joke about President Reagan being a bad actor actually got a pretty good audience reaction.
— No idea how to respond to the bit with Charles delivering an exaggeratedly angry, manic rant towards President Reagan about saving money. Maybe I wouldn’t mind it if Charles hadn’t developed a tendency to randomly rely on hyped-up, manic delivery in general lately. This anti-Reagan/saving money rant also just seemed to be an excuse to receive clapter from the audience, which I probably wouldn’t have had a problem with back in those days, but our current Trump era has permanently burned me out on comedians relying on clapter in place of actual comedy.
— No Joe Piscopo SNL Sports commentary tonight, as Charles mentions that Joe will be hosting the aforementioned boxing match later in the show.
— An overall short Update tonight, which is one of the few saving graces of it.
STARS: **


LINCOLN BEDROOM
Lincoln Bedroom haunts Nancy Reagan’s (GLM) daughter-in-law Doria (ANR)

   

— Okay, this certainly looks like a weird sketch. I’m interested to see where this will go, though.
— What was with that random door-knocking sound when nobody was even knocking? Where did that come from?
— LOL at Eddie’s creepy entrance.
— Randomly throwing a Mary Todd Lincoln appearance into a sketch is usually always a sure-fire laugh-getter.
— Overall, despite an interesting premise and a good performance from Gail, this sketch didn’t amount to much.
STARS: **


GILLIE AND CHARLENE
rumors of CHR’s exploits lead both host & GIG to vow revenge against him

  

— Another instance of Gilbert being called by his backstage nickname “Gillie”.
— Gilbert’s sounding more sullen and bored than ever in this sketch.
— Now we’re resorting to a whole bunch of lazy gay jokes throughout this.
— Ha, that ending close-up of a sullen Gilbert Gottfried staring deadpan into the camera is a strangely classic image.
— Tonight’s “everyone wants to get revenge on Charles Rocket” throughline isn’t being pulled off well at all so far tonight. Only season 6 could manage to make a Dallas/“who shot J.R.?” take-off so dull.
STARS: *½


THE COMPETITION
a movie about finger-breaking piano rivals (JOP) & (GLM)

 

— This is a parody of a then-new Richard Dreyfuss/Amy Irving movie of the same title. The only reason I know that is because the copy I’m watching of this episode is the original live broadcast where, during one of the commercial breaks earlier in the show, there was actually a commercial for the Dreyfuss/Irving movie.
— Joe’s Richard Dreyfuss impression is fairly funny, though I’m guessing people who’ve seen this sketch without knowing what it was parodying have no idea he was even imitating Dreyfuss and they probably wondered why he was speaking in a high-pitched nasal voice.
— That’s it? Short, but kinda funny punchline, I guess.
STARS: **½


SPEAKING OUT
policewoman (DED) on unauthorized use of handicap toilets

— A very rare instance of Matthew Laurance starring in a sketch.
— Overall, this was a dull sketch that just washed right over me. I got a chuckle from one or two of Denny’s lines, but there was absolutely nothing noteworthy here.
STARS: *½


WOMEN BEHIND BARS
(DED) & (host) debate industrial revolution education

   

— The initial set-up to this is bringing back memories of that “Debs Behind Bars” sketch from season 5. It even looks like this is using the same set from that sketch.
— For some reason, it feels weird seeing Gail playing a tough, mean character.
— Yet ANOTHER silent role for Yvonne. Is that woman going to go through the entire second half of this season without speaking a single word?
— Never mind, Yvonne actually got one line just now. SHE SPEAKS!
— Pretty funny reveal that the dreaded “treatment” Charlene’s character will face is simply a debate involving the Industrial Revolution.
— Denny’s character pulling out a graph as a visual aid is kinda funny, and is the first noticeable laugh this whole sketch received from the studio audience.
— Overall, after taking a good unexpected turn mid-sketch, this unfortunately kinda petered out afterwards and was not as good as it should’ve been.
STARS: **½


SNL SPORTS
Weindulah outboxes Rocko Weineretto to win the title; Don King cameo

  

— Here’s the big boxing match the show kept hyping.
— Don King cameo.
— Weindullah’s various ways of taunting Weineretto are pretty funny.
— An overall decent bit, though I wasn’t laughing out loud and I almost started getting a little bored during some parts. But this had a goofy, fun charm to it, and I can appreciate all the commitment that went into this whole thing. I sure wouldn’t want to sit through another Weiner puppet fight, however.
STARS: ***


SUBMISSIVE SUGAR DADDIES
(host) shows why women should call Submissive Sugar Daddy Referral Service

 

— The visual of that jovial-looking old extra as a sugar daddy is kinda funny, I guess.
— That’s it? I didn’t care for this and it came off kinda pointless.
STARS: *


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
Todd Rundgren performs “Time Heals”


PARTY
Mary Louise rules her birthday party with Sam The Snake & an iron fist

 

— Hmm, what’s this? Joe introduces Denny as herself. Am I in for a random Denny Dillon stand-up segment?
— Hmm, she’s doing a character, in a one-woman show-esque piece. This is reminding me of how she previously did a guest spot on the show way back in SNL’s third episode ever, where she and her comedy partner (Mark Hampton) did a nun act.
— Oh, this is the same character she played earlier this season in the Ellen Burstyn episode.
— No idea how to feel about this act so far.
— Overall, I liked this character much better in a sketch format. Her routine doesn’t work as well in a one-woman show setting.
STARS: **


AFTER MIDNIGHT
(CHR) & (GLM) arouse each other while bathing a dog
when CHR gets shot during a sketch, the question is “Who Shot C.R.?”

     

— Charles is coming off more Bill Murray-esque than EVER in this. I can totally picture Bill playing this character.
— Boy, is this a weird sketch. Hope it’s a good one, though, because I’m kinda tired of being so consistently negative in tonight’s episode review.
— A sudden cut to a crosshair first-person perspective aiming at Charles. I now see where this is going.
— And there’s the gunshot.
— I’m suddenly getting excited about this sketch now, as we’re seeing a whole bunch of cast and crew members panickedly rushing into the scene and freaking out.
— Funny bit with Gilbert asking out Charlene in the middle of all the chaos.
— “Who shot C.R.?”
— Nice seeing the whole cast gathered together in the ending shot.
STARS: ***


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
Prince performs “Partyup”

— Okay, it’s always been said that Prince supposedly drops an f-bomb when singing the lyric “Fightin’ war is such a fuckin’ bore”. However, I heard the lyric just now, and I’m 99.9% sure I heard him say “freakin”, not “fuckin’”. Is it just me?
— We’ll be returning to the discussion of f-bombs with a certain upcoming segment afterwards (you know the one)…


GOODNIGHTS
gun victim CHR says “I’d like to know who the fuck did it”

  

— Well, here it comes, folks…
— Aaaaaand there’s the legendary notorious moment. Charles: “Aw, man, it’s the first time I’ve ever been shot in my life. I’d like to know who the fuck did it.”
— The reactions from everyone onstage are freakin’ PRICELESS. Writing this review in real-time as I watch the episode, I can’t rewind to focus on each person’s reaction, but I’m quickly looking back-and-forth at various individual people, and there are so many funny different reactions. Meanwhile, Charles is just sitting there with a laid-back smug grin on his face like he’s proud of himself for what he just did.
— Even though I knew the f-bomb was coming and I’ve watched it quite a number of times in the past, it’s a VERY different experience now seeing it in the context of the entire season, where I’ve been watching and reviewing each episode in chronological order on a day-to-day basis for my SNL project. Arriving at the infamous f-bomb just now, I felt genuine shock when Charles said it and when I saw the cast’s reactions. That shocked feeling of mine made me come to the realization that due to my daily watching and reviewing of this season, I’ve developed a strange attachment to this cast. Definitely a different feeling from the last time I watched this f-bomb moment, where I had no kind of connection to this cast or season at all.
— I think I remember hearing that as soon as Charles dropped the f-bomb, one of the people working in the SNL control room threw his hands in the air, said “Well, there’s goes the end of live TV”, whipped off his headphones, threw it onto the control board, and walked right off the show, as if he thought SNL would be canceled right there on the spot.


IMMEDIATE POST-SHOW THOUGHTS:
— Boy, am I getting tired of saying “another tepid episode”, but that’s become status quo for the show lately. Like I mentioned earlier, I kinda feel bad for being so consistently negative in my reviews these last few episodes, but I can’t help it if season 6 keeps handing me weak episodes lately. I’m starting to run out of different ways to say a sketch didn’t work. I loved tonight’s Mister Robinson’s Neighborhood debut, and about one or two other segments in this episode were fun (including Rocket Report), but there ain’t much else to praise here. At least the notoriety of the Charles Rocket f-bomb incident boosts this episode’s watchability, as otherwise, it would pretty much be indistinguishable from the rest of the string of mediocre episodes that began with Robert Hays.
— Needless to say, the f-bomb incident went on to cause a ton of controversy for SNL. The show (and particularly Jean Doumanian’s job as producer) had already been on thin ice with NBC brass throughout this troubled season, and the f-bomb incident is said to have been the final straw that would eventually lead to the firings of Jean Doumanian, Charles Rocket, and many of the remaining cast and writers. There’s still one episode left with everyone intact before the mass firings occur.


HOW THIS EPISODE STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING ONE (Deborah Harry):
— a very slight step up


My full set of screencaps for this episode is here


TOMORROW:

Bill Murray comes back to show them how it’s done

24 Replies to “February 21, 1981 – Charlene Tilton / Todd Rundgren, Prince (S6 E11)”

  1. Well, once again, great music. Two Todd Rundgren songs and Prince in the same night. Todd is the only person onstage who seems completely unamused when the camera shows him at stage right during the goodnights segment.

  2. I would like to know how that “Who Shot CR?” goodnight segment would’ve panned out if he f-bomb didn’t happen…

    That Rocket f-bomb seems muted and tame compared to later oopsies from Jenny Slate and Sam Rockwell.

  3. The difference with this f-bomb and other f-bomb drops on the show, is that this one was 100% deliberate. Maybe Rocket thought even bad publicity would be good for the show at this point. ?

    1. Or maybe Charles was trying to steal the thunder that “Fridays” gained from the previous night’s episode with that staged Andy Kaufman fight,

  4. Anyone have any insights into how Rocket played this off in the media in the months and years after this season ended? It’s surprisingly hard to find much in the way of interviews from the man himself, though I somehow doubt many were lined up to talk to him after this controversy fizzled out.

    1. Yeah….. eventually he killed himself, supposedly because he didn’t want to hear about it anymore. Apparently they were hounding him for the “SNL In The 80’s” special.

      The only interview I’ve heard about it was on Howard Stern (1987-1988 or so) where he mentioned being fired because NBC told him “don’t bring it up on the air” and then he makes the ‘puck’ joke in the Bill Murray episode.

    2. ^ Even if it was mostly an infinite morass of trolling, I wish that the IMDb message boards were still around. The Charles Rocket page had some invaluable insights from a close female friend of his, who apparently knew him well enough to strongly believe in some factors that led to his eventual grisly suicide, one of which was never forgiving himself for letting down the cast and crew of SNL ‘80, but also much deeper psychological issues going on. Horrific parental abuse and the like. Terrible.

    3. The IMDB message boards were archived, at least to some extent, and ported over to two “successor” web sites I know of which are intended to carry on discussion. I’m not sure how much they caught on. They’re obviously much less active than IMDB. And I doubt they were ever able to do what IMDB did so well, attracting people to join the discussion who actually claimed to know the various celebrities. I’ve seen more of that on YouTube comments lately. So the loss of the IMDB boards remains a gaping hole in the internet. And it’s truly sad that political correctness and pearl-clutching is leading to boards like that being taken away, as well as the comments sections from many news sites.

      At any rate, here are the “ported” pages for Charles Rocket on the two new sites. Filmboards seems to be the one that more often has a much more complete archive of IMDB posts. It seems like moviechat mainly archived the most popular movies and actors:

      https://filmboards.com/board/20734236/

      https://moviechat.org/nm0734236/Charles-Rocket

  5. There was some interview he did for People magazine not long after he was let go from SNL but I haven’t been able to relocate it online recently. Maybe if I keep doing some digging it’ll show up.

    I remember hearing about the whole Lost and Found documentary and that they DID interview him but chose to not use the footage after he committed suicide.

    In the end, his attitude warranted firing but it’s a shame that the consequences were so dire.

  6. outside of Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood…this episode was a chore to sit through. So many terrible sketches…ugh…

  7. Thanks so much for the reviews of this season (and Ben’s reviews on his SNL Review Index have been invaluable.) I’m old enough to have watched all the SNL seasons in real time as they aired live. I well remember watching season 6 imploding upon itself. It was really interesting to see Joe and especially Eddie emerge, and I remember thinking early on, “Why aren’t they using Eddie more?” He had that spark of Belushi, Aykroyd, and Radner that just leapt off the screen. And boy, do I recall the night of THIS episode! It seemed like something disastrous was going to happen eventually in this season and I watched each week with a sense of horrid fascination. The “Who Shot CR” storyline was so badly written that despite being a fan of Dallas, I had no idea until years later that they were attempting to parody that. And when Charles uttered the F word…I got up, turned off the TV, and thought, “Well, that’s it for this cast.” Really great to revisit these shows and I still feel bad for that whole crew.

  8. Funny, I don’t remember the f-bomb when I first watched this live but then, I was 13 at the time and I don’t think I knew it was a bad word at the time. That was a great first Mister Robinson’s Neighborhood especially when Eddie showed the word he wanted his kiddie viewers to say to their moms! Also loved Don Pardo’s “confession” of shooting C. R. and then mentioning Bill Murray as the next guest host. So glad Brandon Tartikoff waited after that show two weeks later before finally doing the right thing and firing Doumanian and Rocket…

  9. I’ll be honest – I’m in the minority here, but I always really liked this episode. Other than “Speaking Out” (which seems like a half-baked idea that could’ve been better), I find this one fairly enjoyable.

  10. I just watched the full 90 minutes for the first time. There’s more decent material than I thought there’d be, but what a string of duds occurring later in the show. A sketch I really liked though was the Lincoln bedroom sketch. Denny was great as Mary Todd Lincoln. If it was Terry Sweeney a few years later and his famous Nancy Reagan in the sketch instead of Gail that really would have sold it. Eddie’s Stevie Wonder/Fiddler On The Roof seems to be forgotten and would probably have stood out more as a classic if it was in his later seasons.

    I feel kind of bad, but I was hysterical over the various reactions from cast members when Charles dropped the F bomb and I replayed it a few times. Eddie’s eyes bulging out, Matthew Lawrence bursting out laughing, Denny’s look of horror, Gail nervously playing with her nose, Gilbert wearing sunglasses which looks odd enough in itself, and Charlene doesn’t really know what to do. I know Charles afterwards claimed he didn’t realize that he had said it, that it just slipped out, and NBC execs had to replay it for him a few times to prove that he said it, but watching it now it looks like he was pretty aware of what he did. The sad thing is, Charles did a lot of good work I think in this season, and carried a lot of shows, but at the end of the day he’s remembered pretty much just for this F bomb moment. I think he had more talent than he’s given credit for though.

  11. The guy who said “That’s the end of live television” in the control room? That was Davey Wilson, the director of the show!

    1. Yeah, I remember Hill and Weingard revealing that in their book “Saturday Night: A Backstage Look at Saturday Night Live”

  12. This episode aired the same weekend as Friday’s infamous Andy Kaufman incident. Ever since I learned that, I’ve always wondered if the f-bomb was an accident or a publicity stunt.

  13. It’s the 40th anniversary of the show and the f-bomb incident. Like Stooge, I enjoy rewinding the goodnights to see each reaction.

  14. The very earliest SNL memory I have is seeing a Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood sketch. It was definitely during Eddie’s original run, but whether it was live or a rerun I don’t know. I don’t know which one it was, but probably later than this episode. I think I was 5 or 6 years old at the time. I just remember thinking how it reminded me of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, but funnier things were happening, like him climbing out onto the fire escape to get away from his landlord. And the way Eddie was speaking when he did things like explain the definition of a word seemed silly and funny.

    The next thing I can remember seeing is the 1983 episode where Buckwheat got shot. I think I remember my mom laughing at it, and me thinking it was funny that they kept announcing he got shot over and over again. I don’t remember seeing much more from Eddie’s years in real time, but I probably did. I’m pretty sure I saw Gumby too. It’s hard to remember seeing sketches with any other cast members besides Eddie from that time.

    I remember more from season 10. I definitely saw Martin Short doing Nathan Thurm in the famous 60 minutes sketch back then, and other stuff from Billy Crystal that season. I have absolutely no memory of season 11. I was surprised to learn that cast ever existed when watching Comedy Central reruns. Looking over seasons 12 and 13, I’m not sure if I saw those live either. When I see the list of hosts for those years, I’m surprised to learn some of those people ever hosted the show. Season 14 is the first one where I have a lot of distinct memories of seeing them live, from the Tom Hanks premiere onward. I was 11 years old when that season started.

    I stayed a steady viewer for years after that. I think my viewing got spottier as season 19 went on. Certain things began turning me off then, like the Adam Sandler boy scout sketches. I don’t remember watching much of season 20 at all. Just a few sketches ring a bell like the O.J. trial and Newt Gingrich with his mom. For a while after that, I would check in intermittently, but pretty much hated the season 21-and-up cast and everything they were doing, except for Norm MacDonald and Jim Breuer. Soon after they left in season 24, I was down to checking in sometimes to see if they had a political sketch opening the show and turning it off after that. I stopped doing even that by somewhere around the mid-2000s.

  15. After editing the episode to my preference for future viewing I saved:

    MISTER ROBINSON’S NEIGHBORHOOD
    Mr. Speedy (GIG) delivers a package

    ROCKET REPORT
    CHR takes host for her first NYC subway ride

    SUBMISSIVE SUGAR DADDIES
    (Host) shows why women should call Submissive Sugar Daddy Referral Service

    MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
    Todd Rundgren performs “Time Heals”

    MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
    Prince performs “Partyup”

  16. Feels like it would have more sense for Rocket to get “shot” like around Update or immediately afterwards, so you could do some riffs about setting up a mystery or somebody to grill the suspects (in better times, surely a special cameo). As someone pointed out above, if Rocket doesn’t drop the f-bomb, this is a gigantic nothing burger…they tease everyone hates him, he gets shot, and then he just shows up in the goodnights.

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