May 12, 1984 – Billy Crystal, Mayor Ed Koch, Edwin Newman, Father Guido Sarducci, and Betty Thomas / The Cars (S9 E19)

Segments are rated on a scale of 1-5 stars

COLD OPENING
Sammy Davis, Jr. (BIC) breakdances & sings with Frank Sinatra (JOP)

       

— Yet another extensive season 9 pre-taped segment that signals the upcoming heavy usage of pre-tapes next season.
— Very funny visual of the limo “driving” backwards from Radio City to NBC.
— LOL at the random 80s breakdancer outside 30 Rock. I also liked Joe-as-Sinatra’s sour response to seeing that: “Look at this crap these crazy kids are into nowadays.”
— That obviously must be a double in Billy Crystal’s place as he’s breakdancing, but the editing made it look pretty convincing.
— An on-camera appearance from Don Pardo!
— I liked Don’s facial reaction to Joe’s Sinatra sending him to get towels.
— I’m enjoying how extensive this whole cold opening feels.
— Fairly fun musical performance from Joe and Billy.
— Nice way of working in “Live from New York…”
STARS: ***½


MONOLOGUE
(no synopsis available)

   

— Heh, Billy’s still removing his Sammy Davis Jr. makeup. I had been wondering during the cold opening how Billy was going to get all that dark makeup off in time for the monologue.
— Very interesting seeing FIVE hosts all on the SNL stage at the same time.
— That’s it? It’s over already? This featured literally nothing. The hosts came out on stage and then we’re told “We’ll be right back” and that was it. This is kinda disappointing, as I was looking forward to seeing what they would do for a monologue with five hosts.
STARS: N/A (not a rateable segment)


SARDUCCI & NELSON
Father Guido Sarducci & Willie Nelson (JIB) join to do an album of duets

 

— Funny pairing.
— Wow, Father Guido Sarducci actually has a really nice singing voice. Who knew?
— What was with the “You Don’t Bring Me Flowers”/”You don’t sing me love songs” mix-up? Seemed like it was a genuine blooper.
— The humor in this sketch seems to be dying down after the main joke has been well established.
— Okay, they won me back over with the ending.
STARS: ***


MAYOR KOCH’S NEIGHBORHOOD
Worthington Clotman says no more “buy my book”

   

— A very funny concept with Ed Koch in place of Mister Robinson.
— I was surprised to hear an on-air acknowledgment of Eddie Murphy’s SNL departure.
— LOL at Koch’s attempt at doing the “Mister Robinson surprised face” close-up bit.
— Interesting seeing Tim’s Worthington Clotman outside of Saturday Night News.
— Kind of a weird ending, but the sketch as a whole still worked.
STARS: ***½


MIKKO’S GOT YOUR NOSE SAFETY GUARD
prevents accidental child rhinoplasty

    

— Julia’s skin looks darker than usual for some reason.
— Actually, so does Joe’s.
— Hilarious sudden sight gag with Julia’s face projectile bleeding after Joe unintentionally pulls off her nose.
— I love Joe’s panicking when he finally realizes he has Julia’s severed nose in his hand. This sketch is hilarious.
— A great “How many times has THIS happened to you?” from Brad as the spokesperson.
— Overall, one of the great gory projectile-bleeding sketches in SNL history.
STARS: ****


GUIDO ON THE STREET
Father Guido Sarducci asks various questions to Manhattan commuters

   

— I like the part with one guy telling Sarducci the four ways to skin a cat.
— If you know me, you’ll know that I love how Sarducci’s now asking a Three Stooges question.
— I’m enjoying the fast pacing of this as well as Sarducci’s absurd questions.
— Good ending with him hitching a ride in the backseat of a police car.
STARS: ***


NEEDLEMAN
nerdy oral surgeon’s (GAK) dating service tape is music video-like

       

— “Video date?” Oh, I think this is going to be to the Needleman video that I’ve always been dying to see.
— Jim’s creepy video was pretty funny.
— Yep, here comes Gary as Ira Needleman. It’ll be interesting to see how his normal-so-far intro will transition into the famous music video.
— Yes! Here’s his music video! This is ALREADY coming off awesome so far.
— The “spit” part with the female dancers was hilarious.
— I’m loving the sudden slow tempo change when Needleman is listing off his likes and what he wants in a girl.
— Man, they are going ALL OUT out for this.
— Overall, this did not let me down. This was just as fantastic as legend had me expecting, and featured a phenomenal job by Gary. And much like “Look At Our Video” from a few episodes ago, this is another example of this season doing a very dead-on, detailed parody of then-contemporary music videos.
— Gary would go on to credit this piece as being the thing that got him a third season on SNL. I believe he said if it weren’t for this sketch, he most likely would’ve gotten fired after this season like he originally did after his first season (before Brad Hall stood up for him and convinced Ebersol to immediately re-hire him).
STARS: *****


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
musical guest performs “Drive”


SATURDAY NIGHT NEWS
Dr. Ruth Westheimer (MAG) says she learned all about sex from her mother
Dr. Jack Badofsky lists medical disorders named after celebrities
Fernando is miffed because he thought he would anchor the news

       

— Edwin Newman does the SNL news once again.
— First time we’ve seen Mary’s Dr. Ruth in quite a while.
— Didn’t care too much for the sight gag of Dr. Ruth’s mother being so short that she can’t be seen over the desk.
— Mary’s overall Mother’s Day commentary was okay.
— Edwin’s delivery seems unusually slow tonight, even moreso than it usually is. I’m not liking it as much as I liked his delivery when he hosted earlier this season.
— Funny delay with the beginning of Tim’s commentary while he’s seen still applying his clip-on microphone.
— It took Tim a while to get into character before speaking, thanks to the aforementioned delay.
— Here’s our last-ever Dr. Jack Badofsky commentary.
— LOL at the negative audience reaction to the “Syphyllis Schlafly” pun.
— And that’s the official end for Dr. Jack. Tonight’s appearance was fine, though no particular puns here stood out to me and I was a little disappointed we didn’t get the usual great ad-lib out of Tim at any point during this.
— Here’s Fernando making yet another Saturday Night News appearance this season.
— Boy, Billy has really been running the “You look mahvelous” catchphrase in the ground these last few episodes. I don’t like how he always has to spend the first 30 seconds of his Fernando appearances just going on and on about how the audience and whoever is next to him “look mahvelous”. It’s not a good sign when I’ve ALREADY gotten tired of that catchphrase before we’ve even reached Billy’s stint as a cast member in season 10.
— Edwin charming his way into convincing Fernando to let him continue doing the news tonight was fairly funny.
STARS: **½


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE
musical guest performs “Magic”


HELLO, TRUDY!
Edwin nearly jeopardizes the show’s future

   

— The return of this solid sketch from earlier this season. As I said last time, I’m a little wary over how this will turn out as a recurring sketch, since it doesn’t seem like the type of premise that will lend itself well to repetition.
— I liked Edwin’s “Oh, brother…” when Trudy calls a second time.
— Funny how Trudy is making a reluctant Jim do increasingly ridiculous things to Edwin.
— Surprising turn with Trudy angrily quitting as a viewer of this show.
— Oh, Jim eventually won her back over.
— Jim pushing Edwin away just as he was about to give Trudy advice was pretty funny.
— Overall, this second installment of “Hello, Trudy” surprisingly worked. I’m glad they didn’t just repeat the exact same premise from the first installment of this sketch, and Edwin made for a really good foil here.
STARS: ***½


JOEL HODGSON
Joel Hodgson [real] plays Mystery Date with audience & uses the Levitron

       

— During her intro, Betty Thomas (in her first non-monologue appearance of the whole night, by the way) noticeably announces Joel Hodgson as “Joel Hodges”.
— The “Mystery Date” part seems a little weird, especially the jingle Joel’s singing, which the audience is giving immediate recognition laughter to. It must be parodying something I’m not familiar with.
— A good laugh from Joel sending the Mystery Date-losing audience member away bowling.
— What’s with the random repeated buzzer sound throughout this?
— Oh, I see, the buzzer is reminding him to eat a Pez. Funny running bit.
— Amusing reveal of how he did the “Levitron” trick.
— Haha, oh my god at the bit with him demonstrating the insane costume invention he made involving snakes-in-a-can.
— Overall, an okay Joel Hodgson appearance (his final one on SNL, I believe), though this was slower-paced than usual. I prefer the tighter pacing of some of his earlier appearances.
STARS: ***


KARATE SCHOOL
the Three Stooges (GAK), (JOP), (TIK) teach a women’s self-defense class

     

— Sad that Betty Thomas is just NOW making her first actual sketch appearance of the night.
— A Three Stooges sketch!!! Oh, you KNOW I’m going crazy over this.
— Weird seeing “Moe” being so much shorter than his fellow Stooges.
— As always, great Curly impression from Joe.
— Tim and Gary are also doing pretty well in their impressions.
— This is an absolutely dead-on parody of the Stooges so far.
— Ha, Joe’s pants accidentally fell down!!! Hilarious blooper.
— And now the pants fell down again!
— Love how all the performers (especially the female cast members) have lost their composure due to the aforementioned blooper.
— Great ending with the ladies imitating the Stooges’ mannerisms and chasing them around the room while the Stooges’ theme music “Listen to the Mockingbird” plays.
— Overall, I loved this sketch, probably more than most people do. I’m biased because this really appealed to me as a Stooges fanatic, and had a classic blooper to boot.
STARS: ****


GOODNIGHTS

 


IMMEDIATE POST-SHOW THOUGHTS:
— A pretty strong season-ender. We got some great sketches tonight, nothing flopped too badly at all, and the novelty of having five hosts gave the show an exciting feel. Part of me wishes this experiment with having a season finale be hosted by five different people who hosted earlier in the season was occasionally done again in some of the later years, though I can kinda understand why they kept it a one-time thing.

— My copy of this episode is missing a sketch at the end of the show called “Sushi Restaurant”, which features all five of tonight’s hosts and has something to do with Godzilla terrorizing a Japanese restaurant. Interesting-sounding premise and it would’ve been fun to see how it managed to work all five hosts into one sketch, which sounds like a nice way to end this special season finale.

— Tonight ended up being the final episode for Joe Piscopo, Robin Duke, Brad Hall, and Tim Kazurinsky, which is quite a shake-up for SNL. I know Joe left on his own, and I’m assuming the same goes for Tim.  I know Brad was fired, and I’m guessing Robin was as well. [ADDENDUM: According to some comments I received, it turns out all four performers were fired, including Joe and Tim. Wow.] Of the four of them, Joe and Tim will be the most missed, as they both played an important part to the show these last few seasons and were very versatile and often reliable. Robin was usually always good, but the problem with her tenure was that she often suffered from being very underused and wasted, which made her come off invisible at times. I had issues with Brad as a performer during his first season-and-a-half, and I figured when he got removed from his anchorperson role on Saturday Night News in the middle of this season that he would have practically nothing left to do for the remainder of the season, as he had never been known to be a standout sketch performer. I was surprised to find out that not only was he not as invisible in the second half of this season as I predicted, but he actually began growing on me more and more during the last few months of the season. The issues I used to have with him were gradually fading away as he was starting to develop into a quietly solid performer. As I said in a recent review, I wonder if that growth would’ve continued had he been brought back next season.

— Season 9 as a whole was a very interesting one. With the show’s megastar Eddie Murphy half-gone for most of the year, you’d think that would spell trouble for the show considering how heavily they used to lean on him to carry the show and how he was the main reason many people tuned into SNL, but the show surprisingly ended up managing to still do well without his dominance this season. (And let’s be honest: even in some of the appearances Eddie DID make this season, he came off kinda complacent and seemed like he was ready to move on from SNL) The addition of Jim Belushi to the cast helped, as he turned out to have a great first year and added a new energy to the show. Another addition that helped this season was new writer Andy Breckman, who added a lot of much-needed creativity to the writing and who’s conceptual, hilarious, premise-driven sketches were usually always a highlight of the show. Yet another interesting thing is how some unique aspects of next season started forming in the last quarter of THIS season: the writing style started to shift quite a bit, we started getting more and more reliance on strong pre-taped pieces, Billy Crystal was getting more and more involved with the show, and the penultimate episode’s musical guest (Spinal Tap) consisted of members who would all either be part of next season’s cast or would host that season at one point. Very intriguing to watch the whole gradual transition from season 9 to season 10.


HOW THIS EPISODE STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING ONE (Barry Bostwick):
— about the same


HOW THIS SEASON STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING SEASON (1982-83):
— a step up


My full set of screencaps for this episode is here


TOMORROW:

Season 10 begins, featuring no host. The season will have quite a number of major changes to the show’s general atmosphere and we also get a large influx of new additions to the cast, most of whom are already famous and one of whom is one of the very people who co-hosted tonight’s season finale.

20 Replies to “May 12, 1984 – Billy Crystal, Mayor Ed Koch, Edwin Newman, Father Guido Sarducci, and Betty Thomas / The Cars (S9 E19)”

  1. Season 9 really works from some great hosts–there’s a number of them who really bring unique comedic stylings and even some of the non-actor hosts are charming enough. I think this season has a strong enough cast and personnel that there was no danger in experiencing a post-Eddie crash like other seasons’ struggles, but the choice of good hosts really helped.

  2. Sadly, I think Tim Kazurinsky was also fired. That was really ungrateful on Ebersol’s part. I wonder how he would have fit with Season 10’s cast. Gary Kroeger did very well that year.

  3. Per Hill/Weingrad – since Eddie was gone, he thought he would be the unquestioned “lead” of the show, but the writers started increasingly working with the other cast members/guest performers. When Crystal/Short/Guest came in, there was not as much a need for Joe anymore, so Ebersol did not renew his contract. Too bad – I think he would done well with this new group.

  4. Here are our five star sketches from the 83-84 season:

    Larry’s Corner (Brandon Tartikoff)
    James Brown’s Celebrity Hot Tub Party (Betty Thomas)
    Monologue (Don Rickles)
    Witness Relocation (Don Rickles)
    Saint Don of Verona (Don Rickles)
    Spinal Tap Interview (Barry Bostwick)
    Needleman (Billy Crystal, Betty Thomas et al)

    Seven sketches, which is one par with the previous season. Some things to note: minimal Eddie Murphy, though I’d have the Fifth Beatle sketch on this list. The strength of this season really comes from the bench players coming forward. Also, lots of Don Rickles – it’s a real banner episode, so I get it.

    If I’m picking sketches from this season that deserve more love, I’d go with Firing Line and the JFK Assassination Anniversary sketches.

  5. As a companion piece to Carson’s list, here’s an Honorable Mentions list compiled of all the sketches I rated four-and-a-half stars this season:

    You Win A Dollar (Betty Thomas)
    Larry’s Corner (Jerry Lewis)
    This Is Your Afterlife (Don Rickles)
    Rock & Roll And Then Some (Robin Williams)
    Look At Our Video (Michael Douglas)
    4 Minutes To Live (Michael Douglas)
    The Turkey Lady (Barry Bostwick)

  6. If I’m not mistaken, I think the whole bit with Piscopo/Sinatra telling Pardo to get him Towels was a spoof of a then-recent ad for the Golden Nugget hotel/casino in Las Vegas (which recently landed Sinatra for a Residency). The owner at the time was Steve Wynn, and the ad went a little something, like this…

  7. Here are the average ratings for Season 9:
    *may not represent review’s perception*

    901: 6.1 (Brandon Tartikoff)
    902: 5.4 (Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman)
    903: 5.4 (John Candy)
    904: 6.4 (Betty Thomas)
    905: 6.4 (Teri Garr)
    906: 6.4 (Jerry Lewis)
    907: 5.5 (The Smothers Brothers)
    908: 6.1 (Flip Wilson)
    909: 6.0 (Father Guido Sarducci)
    910: 5.9 (Michael Palin)
    911: 7.5 (Don Rickles)
    912: 6.1 (Robin Williams)
    913: 5.5 (Jamie Lee Curtis)
    914: 6.8 (Edwin Newman)
    915: 6.1 (Billy Crystal)
    916: 5.9 (Michael Douglas)
    917: 5.8 (George McGovern)
    918: 6.5 (Barry Bostwick)
    919: 6.7 (5 Hosts)

    Best Episode: 911 (Don Rickles)- 7.5
    Worst Episode: 902 (Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman) + 903 (John Candy)- 5.4 (tie)
    Season Average: 6.1

    1. I’m curious what Vax Novier’s list of average ratings would look like if it was ranked from best episode to worst, so I’ll do it below:

      911: 7.5 (Don Rickles)
      914: 6.8 (Edwin Newman)
      919: 6.7 (5 Hosts)
      918: 6.5 (Barry Bostwick)
      904: 6.4 (Betty Thomas)
      905: 6.4 (Teri Garr)
      906: 6.4 (Jerry Lewis)
      901: 6.1 (Brandon Tartikoff)
      908: 6.1 (Flip Wilson)
      912: 6.1 (Robin Williams)
      915: 6.1 (Billy Crystal)
      909: 6.0 (Father Guido Sarducci)
      910: 5.9 (Michael Palin)
      916: 5.9 (Michael Douglas)
      917: 5.8 (George McGovern)
      907: 5.5 (The Smothers Brothers)
      913: 5.5 (Jamie Lee Curtis)
      902: 5.4 (Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman)
      903: 5.4 (John Candy)

      Biggest surprises:
      — The DeVito/Perlman and John Candy episodes being ranked at the very bottom. I do recall deeming the DeVito/Perlman episode to have very mixed quality, so maybe that messed with the rating average, but I don’t understand the low rating average for the decent Candy episode at all.

  8. In case anyone is keeping track, these are the only episodes so far to better the 7.5 rating Rickles received here….

    210: 7.8 (Candice Bergen)
    318: 8.0 (Steve Martin 3)
    414: 7.8 (Gary Busey)
    408: 7.6 (Eric Idle)
    410: 7.6 (Michael Palin 1)
    415: 7.6 (Margot Kidder)
    416: 7.6 (Richard Benjamin)

    Also, the only non-Lorne shows (so far) to hit 7 or higher were Rickles, Stevie Wonder, and Tim Curry. Curious to see which season 10 shows get 7 or more.

    Note: Ralph Nader (#211) also got a 7.5, but if you do the math (which I think I got right), it’s 7.45454545…, whereas Rickles is 7.5 even.

  9. Yeah, that blooper of Joe’s Curly’s pants falling and then deciding to do that again always get me!

  10. If I’m not mistaken, Joe Piscopo wasn’t fired. He actually quit the show because he didn’t want to do it without Eddie Murphy. I don’t know whether or not Tim Kazurinsky and Robin Duke were fired or left on their own terms, but I do know for sure that Brad Hall was fired.

  11. I first saw the “Needleman” film on the “SNL Film Festival” special which didn’t show the Julia/Robin live wraparound. As a result, I was as unenthusiastic for it as Siskel and Ebert were that night. When I finally saw this very ep during the summer of ’86 and then there’s Julia’s screaming after Gary’s piece, I finally thought it was funny!

  12. From what I read from a New York Times article regarding the show around May of 1984, Joe Piscopo stated(as of press time) that he was unsure whether or not he wanted to stay. He was offered the chance to host the following year but he declined.

    I also read in the Saturday Night book that during this season, Eddie rejected a lot of sketches as his favorite writers, Barry Blaustein & David Sheffield had previously left. They did contribute one sketch that year for Eddie and that was James Brown’s Celebrity Hot Tub party that was taped during the preview show from September 1983.

  13. Joe by the end of Season 9 pretty much drove everyone up the wall and it didn’t make anyone feel bad when he left. He started mentally changing after the episode Eddie hosted in 1982 and by year 9 he started throwing tantrums over stuff. The peak was that screaming match he and Eddie had over Ebersol which is still one of the oddest things I’ve ever read. Joe pretty much signed his death warrant by that point with Dick. He started getting put in the back more by the end of that year; I think he even realized he was gonna be gone so he declined that offer. Then he had to be sore and bitter with the press when they asked him why he left.

    By turning that host offer down he jinxed his career for ages pretty much and became cannon fodder for parody. Then he had that special with that goofy song he sang in which Howard Stern and everyone else made fun of him for it. Beginning of the end of his run there.

    Tim was pretty much fired and blindsided. Dick felt he didn’t have anything much to add to the show by that point and he wanted Short on board to play the nerds. You could tell in the 80’s documentary he was still heartbroken when he was saying “heads had to roll,” I felt so sorry for him there. I do wish they’d kept him around for Update and left Guest off. He never really did it for me much that season. Tim coulda done SNN decently that year. Year 10 badly lacked a year long anchor which was what the segment needed.

    Hall was a no brainer due to the fact he and Dick didn’t get along by the end hardly at all. He had a major about face after being so higher up the year before and saving Kroger’s job. Kroger went on to become the ace of that group on that show while Brad was the dud. Irony at it’s best.

    Duke was pretty much mentally broken by that point; it’s like the female version of Gilbert which was a major shame. She was honestly the missed opportunity of his run. There was no reason why she wasn’t the head female actress. Instead Dick cast Julia for sex appeal and let Gross take over. She was great but imo Robin was the better talent. Dick considered her dead weight which was a shame. There was no real reason why all three couldn’t have co-mingled and had nice runs.

    1. I just remembered a Friday night in 1990-a day before the infamous Andrew Dice Clay ep-in which Lorne Michaels was debating with Andy Rooney-who had recently apologized for some unfortunate remarks on “60 Minutes” that got him temporarily suspended-about Clay’s appearance and opposite that on “The Tonight Show starring Johnny Carson”, Joe Piscopo as guest making some jokes about Rooney while doing his voice. I’m sure those bookings were coincidence. Still, it made me switch channels constantly during commercials…

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